Kettle’s Yard gets under your skin. Kettle’s Yard, especially if you experience it the kind of way I did, alters the way you look at things and my guess is that in the rooms of most of the people that you’ve interviewed, if you’ve interviewed them in their own settings, you will have been able to see bits of the Kettle’s Yard aesthetic and it’s more than just pebbles, it is a distinct aesthetic. That actually is one of the extraordinary things about Jim’s achievement and one of the things that Kettle’s Yard gives and offers – it produces or promotes an aesthetic which was not fashionable at the time he created it, it has becomes fashionable and I think he is not the only exponent of it, but there is something very influential about the conversion of those four little cottages. So, you’re likely to see echoes of it if you’re a visually aware person all over the place, all over the world, and that’s something that Kettle’s Yard has given me that I don’t have any regrets about. Jim was human and the mistake about Jim Ede is to put him into a position of suggesting that he isn’t human, or wasn’t human. He had his flaws, I was unlucky enough to be exposed to them big time but that didn’t take away from the fact that he had very great gifts.